When Low Demand Parenting Stops Working for PDA (The Mistake Almost No One in the PDA Space is Talking About)
About this episode
I am sharing the second of the three biggest mistakes I see parents of PDA Autistic and neurodivergent children make (unintentionally of course), when they are trying to support their PDA Autistic or neurodivergent child, teen or young adult out of burnout.
If you have done all the low demand parenting work, understand PDA to a T, know that behaviour is not defiance, and yet you feel like you have disappeared in your own home, this episode is for you. This is for all parents of neurodivergent children (specifically Autistic and/or ADHD with a PDA Pathological Demand Avoidant profile) who are struggling to work out how much to pull back and how much is a boundary they need to hold.
Last week I named trap number one: pushing too hard and trying to widen tolerance when there is nothing left in your child's nervous system to widen. This week is the opposite trap, and it is one almost nobody in the PDA space is naming. It is what happens when reducing demands quietly turns into no structure, no boundaries and no guidance at all, and how that shift keeps families stuck for a completely different reason than the first trap.
Key takeaways from this episode:
- Reducing demands is essential, but somewhere along the way it can quietly turn into no structure, no boundaries and no guidance left at all, and that leaves both you and your child with nowhere to stand
- If you feel like you have lost yourself, lost control of your home, or in some cases feel like you are in an abusive dynamic with your child, that feeling is valid and it is a signal something needs to shift
- When we pull back too much, the responsibility for structure and decision-making can quietly fall onto our child, and for a nervous system already at zero capacity, that is not relief, it is a new demand
- Holding a boundary rooted in safety, family needs, or your values does not make you too strict or mean you are getting low-demand parenting wrong
- Co-regulation requires you to be regulated too, and your own nervous system is part of your child's burnout recovery
- The real question is not "push harder or let go completely." It is how do I hold a boundary of safety and find that tricky balance while my child finds their way out of burnout
I also share a piece of the work I do with parents inside my group coaching program: values work. When a family is deep in burnout and does not know which way to pull or push, values work is how we figure out what genuinely has to stay in place to protect the whole family, and what can be flexible in this season. It is one of the most foundational and mindset-shifting parts of what I teach, and I unpack why it matters so much when you are moving your child out of burnout.
If you are listening for the third and final trap in this series, stay tuned for next week. It is one of my favourites to unpack, and it is the one I see almost every family fall into without realising, until they finally name it.
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Was actually always worried about being too hard on my PDA child.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>I wasn't actually considering the effects of going low demand and removing too much on the other end.</p>
<cite>Speaker B</cite>
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<p>Welcome to the Attuned Spectrum podcast.</p>
<cite>Speaker B</cite>
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<p>I'm Chantal Hewitt, an RDHD mum, experienced educator, and autism support coach who understands your path because I also walk it daily.</p>
<cite>Speaker B</cite>
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<cite>Speaker B</cite>
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<cite>Speaker B</cite>
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<p>Join me inside this week's episode.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Last episode I named trap number one, Pushing too hard, widening tolerance, or that window of tolerance when there's nothing left to widen in your child's nervous system.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>This episode, I want to talk to you about the other trap that I find parents within so often when they're trying to support their PDA child, teen or young adult out of burnout.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And this one actually took me a little bit of time to pinpoint.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But now that I have, my goodness, I cannot believe how many of us, myself included, years, years ago, have fallen into this trap and like to absolute no discredit of the parents listening.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>We do what we do to the best of our ability with the information that we have available to us at the time.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But I was actually always worried about being too hard on my PDA child.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>I wasn't actually considering the effects of going low demand and removing too much on the other end because that actually I have seen has been keeping families continuously stuck, but for a completely different reason.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I see this constantly as well.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And almost nobody in the space is naming it and it is that swinging all the way to the opposite extreme.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So we're not like forcing, reintroducing things really quickly.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But what we've done is we have pulled back, stripped everything back.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And not just demands, we have stripped back how we show up as a parent.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And there's a lot of emotions that kind of that, that work within that space and that influence that.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But when we do this, when we have pulled back so much, the success of coming out of burnout and recovering, it also becomes so out of reach.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So this really is a balance.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I was speaking to this in the last episode, but it is a balance and it will look different for every single child, every single teen, every single adult and their family who supports them and their caregivers who support them.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Okay, so let's see if this parent is you.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>This is the parent who has done all of the low demand parenting work, who understands PDA to A t you understand dysregulation, you understand how to support a nervous system, you understand that the behavior is not defiance.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You have genuinely pulled back as much as possible and somewhere along the way that reducing demands has quietly turned into.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>There are no instructions, no boundaries, no guidance left at all.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So absolutely no structure, no boundaries, no guidance.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So while following their lead is really good, and you do need to have that balance of how much to follow and when to put boundaries in place to support those values within your life that you have made sense of for your own family.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And if you haven't yet, that is exactly what we do within my group coaching programs.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And it is like the most amazing mindset, shifting work that parents go through.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>If you are interested in that.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>I do actually have a link in the show notes, but I'm going to get back to this episode right now.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So what you've done is you are following their lead on everything, every single day, not making any choices for yourself.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You not putting any boundaries in place or so few boundaries that you feel like you have zero control in your own home.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You feel like you can't do anything for yourself.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You feel like you can't take care of yourself, your self care, your own regulation.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You don't even know what that looks like.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You don't get a moment to yourself.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And here's what that actually does.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And you will know if this is you because of the thing I'm about to say.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So if, if what I'm about to say, like if you go, oh, yep, we're so low demand that it feels like everything you've just said, then I will ask you, do you feel like you're living by your values at home?</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>If you can say yes, yes, we do.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>We so live by our values.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>We have this super flowy low demand life.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Everything is great, or, you know, it's not great, but it's pretty good.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And you know, we're working through it, you know they're coming out of burnout, then that sounds awesome.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But if you are listening and what I have just described as you and you don't feel any sort of relief, you feel like you've disappeared.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You don't feel in control of who you are or your own home anymore because the need for your child, your PDA child to equalize has fully taken over your own autonomy and your own safety.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I want to speak to that and say something that doesn't get said enough.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>That feeling that you are feeling is so valid that whether you're sitting there feeling like you Fully lost control.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Whether you're sitting there feeling like you're in an abusive relationship with your child.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I don't just say that out of nowhere.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>I've been told that multiple times from multiple people that I work with.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And it sucks, absolutely sucks to feel that.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And you struggle with how to reduce boundaries.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And again, that balance.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>How do you.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>That's usually how this comes up, is there's so much confusion and how much to pull back and how much is a boundary that you need to hold.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Cause a dysregulation nervous system, whether it is yours, and most likely, if you are in this space as a parent right now, in your home, supporting your PDA child, teen, young adult, maybe you're supporting them outside of the home as they're moving and developing through life.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>A dysregulated nervous system, your own will be in a fight response, a flight response, maybe a freeze.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Maybe you're fawning, maybe you're just trying to get by.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You will be dysregulated too.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And that is real, that is valid, and it can be genuinely frightening and so many other feelings that I'm sure that you will give meaning to when you hear me say this.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So both of these things can be true at once.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You can absolutely want to support your child out of burnout, right?</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You can absolutely want to pull back.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And you can, you can pull back demands you.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You can tweak some things, you can trial some things and then maybe reintroduce some things.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But at the end of the day, it doesn't have to be one or the other.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I think that's where so much of the confusion actually lies, is that people, parents and carers supporting PDAers.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>It's because this is quite new.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Research is still coming out.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>We're still progressing in this space.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>We're trying to find out as much as possible.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>We are in that information era and we hold all of this, but then we go, well, how does this fit with my child?</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So you either do too much or you do too little with pulling back.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So you can support your child.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You can want them to do well, you can want them to heal from burnout.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But then at the same time, you can also need to care for yourself.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Because when we talk about how to get your child out of burnout, their neurodivergent pda, autistic burnout, a lot of the work that I do with families that I think deserves way more attention is that co regulation piece.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And not everyone is just equipped to co regulate.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>There's so much that goes into co regulating, so much confusion, so much unknown, so much regulation that the CO of the co regulation has to be.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>You need to be regulated too.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And if you aren't prioritizing that regulation, I do ask you, how can you show up and be that co regulator for your child and actually see progress?</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I'm not meaning to say that you never co regulate with them because I know that you do.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>But just as we need that balance with our child and supporting their nervous system, healing their nervous system when they're in burnout, the person who is doing the caregiving, the parent, they need that balance too.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So if you're the one listening, let me tell you, you need that balance too.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So you know the right language, you know it is behavior and then you just kind of take it.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Safety and autonomy for yourself gets pushed aside, maybe for others in your family too.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So if this is you and you are feeling these things, you are not alone.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So many people go this way as well.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>They fall into as they figure out low demand parenting and getting their child, navigating that burnout space, coming out of burnout and healing their child, they will go the other way of what actually may look like or feel like giving in.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I'm not saying it is giving in, but I think what is important to know because I'm looking at it from being attached to your parent, your caregiver, and how there is that safety and trust that does come from boundaries and from knowing what to expect from a parent.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And a lot of the times the parents who go too far the other way, they're struggling to put like re establish that trust that even though they've pulled back on so many things, it's too much for that child to take on all of those decisions now.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So when we pull back too much and then it falls on the child to create boundaries or to determine the boundaries, it can be really overwhelming.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And that in itself can be a demand for them.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So here's the actual work.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Because if I say just let go of everything was never the answer and then neither was just push harder, the real question ends up being, well, how do I hold a boundary of safety for you, for them, for the whole household, when the child is still navigating their way out of burnout and I'm there to help them, how do we find that balance?</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Values work in parenting, especially in how I support parents to apply it to their PDA child, teen or young adult in their life.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>It is honestly one of the foundational and most useful Parts of what I teach when a child is so deep in burnout and a family does not know which way to pull or to push or to just stay frozen and still and just absorb what's happening, but not know what their path forward is.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Values work is how we figure out what actually has to stay.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>What those main non negotiables are that protect safety and the family's ability to function everyone.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So finding equity in what that looks like for each member of the family versus what can genuinely be flexible, what can be in flow, what can not have a boundary in this season of life.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Because when you do the complete opposite of what I spoke of in the last episode, when you let go of everything, it doesn't just remove pressure from your child.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So they will have some relief, I'm almost absolutely certain from the removal of that pressure that you've put in place.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:12:29</time>
<p>But then what it does do, whether someone realizes it or not, and maybe this is the first time you're realizing it as I'm saying it to you or offering you this idea, but then it puts an enormous weight on your child and there is zero intention, I know, for you to do that suddenly they're the one that holds the decision making, all of the structure, all of the responsibility for how the day goes.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And I'm not speaking to that in a behavioral way.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:12:58</time>
<p>So I or a power struggle way.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>I'm not saying now you don't have it, you're giving them all the power.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:03</time>
<p>I'm more speaking to that responsibility that the parent like that we have to set the structure in place and how it looks child to child, home to home will be so different.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:15</time>
<p>But if we pull back so much that that responsibility without us realizing it, then goes on to our child for that child or teen or young adult, that where their capacity is already at zero, that no longer is relief.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:28</time>
<p>So that brings on a different pressure, a different kind of demand that also is too much that they can't make sense of.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>And a caveat here, like I will say is so much of the guidance information that I'm offering, education that I offer in the podcast.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>Everyone's situation is unique.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:46</time>
<p>Everyone is different.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:47</time>
<p>So you, even if this is you, I know there's probably so many other things going on.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
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<p>So this is not a blame game.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:54</time>
<p>This is not just like the last episode wasn't either.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:13:57</time>
<p>It's genuinely meant to be eye opening so you can consider why you are stuck.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:03</time>
<p>And it might be this, but it might not be.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:05</time>
<p>But when we're thrown with information and information we actually forget that we are capable parents, people who can make an empowered choice.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:17</time>
<p>But when we don't know which way to go, what path to follow, it becomes so hard to make that choice.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:22</time>
<p>So, so I do want you to hear this clearly.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:24</time>
<p>If you need to put a boundary in place, please know if you have intention behind that boundary, if it links to safety or other people's needs within your family, whatever is important to you as a parent, as a person within your home.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:39</time>
<p>If you have to put a boundary in place, that doesn't make you too strict, that doesn't make you, you know, quote unquote, do low demand parenting wrong.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:48</time>
<p>It means that you are making an informed decision based on your family's needs and your family's values and everyone's nervous system.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:56</time>
<p>And it's actually quite a complicated thing to do.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:14:59</time>
<p>So it's not easy work.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:00</time>
<p>You are not failing at this, but you may be struggling.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:04</time>
<p>And if you're listening this far into this episode, I know that you are the parent who is willing to sit in the discomfort in this genuinely hard, unfortunately glamorous middle ground of not knowing, not knowing how much to push or how much to let go.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:21</time>
<p>And you probably, as that co regulator, that primary care of your PDA child, teen or young adult, probably have so many other feelings swirling around in your body, in your brain, in your being at the moment.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:33</time>
<p>Which makes all of this extra hard.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:35</time>
<p>Next week I will be diving into that last piece, the last trap.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:42</time>
<p>The last main trap.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:43</time>
<p>There's a bunch of them, but if I had to sum it up to these three, the next episode we will dive into one of my favorite ones.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:51</time>
<p>But it is that I am seeing parents time and time again do this alone, without support.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:15:58</time>
<p>And when parents start to see real sustainable change, real relief, and see those changes in their child moving from that state of eggshell, walking in their home, the parents, I mean to then their child being in the state of burnout and then actually coming out, that relief and that ease on the other side, that's when they found support.</p>
<cite>Speaker A</cite>
<time>00:16:18</time>
<p>They found people who get it, who know how to help them.</p>
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